interview february 13 – 29, 2020 29 public lens although i sometimes came to the country, and even taught bi- ology at jinja senior secondary school between 1983 and 1985. it was not easy to adapt to the very tough conditions then, but i had been prepared well during my time in tanzania and kenya. when tito okello junta was overthrown by the nrm/a, i was still at jinja senior secondary school, but preparing for my viva voce (the- sis defence) and graduation at the university of nairobi. i left ugan- da just as the new rulers were set- tling and i did not leave my family behind. i never knew that i would but ended up teaching in at least three secondary schools in kenya (ksnunga high school, tinganga secondary school and torongo high school). i developed my teaching skills in kenya and have never stopped teaching since then. it was not easy be- cause kenyans would keep on re- minding me that i didn’t belong to them and asking me when i would leave for my country. all other ugandans in kenya were treated that way. indeed in 1989, ugan- dan teachers were summarily stopped. i stayed on in kenya un- til january 1991, when i ultimate- ly joined makerere university as a lecturer in the faculty of science. i was in makerere till 2009 when i retired from active academic life. you can see my life’s experience had not been easy. loving js: what did you do when you left makerere? oa: in my service to the community i had, since 1998, been active in civil society work. that year the late martin musumba, formally lc 5 chairman of iganga district and former prime minister (katukiro) of busoga, formed a pressure group, save bujagali crusade (sbc) to save the bujagali falls from destructive development. government unilaterally decided to have a hydroelectric facility erected on the river nile at dumbbell island, two kilometres from bujagali falls, which action would silence the falls. he coordinated the crusade and i deputised him. had almost simultaneously, i joined the national association of profes- sional environmentalists (nape) as a member of its board, and soon became its secretary. mar- tin musumba also joined nape as chairman of its board. we decid- ed to make sbc an environmental effort of nape and waged a noble struggle locally, nationally and globally to save bujagali falls and its associated ecological, cultural, spiritual and tourism potential. we ensured that environmental impact assessment became adequately in- tegral to the bujagali dam process. we travelled widely and presented our positions to diverse audienc- es. unfortunately, i failed to pres- ent our positions to the world prof. oweyegha-afunaduula at his home in busoga. bank board of directors in new york because of terrorist attacks on the three trade towers in new york. i was travelling from mapu- to, mozambique, but was advised not to proceed. it would have been a great opportunity to interface with the policy making body of the world bank. in 2003, i was one of the pioneer leaders of a regional nongovern- mental organisation for the nile basin called nile basin discourse (nbd) at the national level. i be- came the vice chairman of one of the original 10 forums of nbd -the uganda nile discourse forum (undf). every member country had a forum. the countries were burundi, drc, egypt, eritrea, ethiopia, kenya, rwanda, su- dan, tanzania and uganda. south sudan had not joined because it was nonexistent since sudan was still one gigantic country. three years later, in 2006, i became the chairman of undf. a year later undf seconded me to the board of nbd, and the same year i be- came the acting secretary gen- eral of nbd, when the substantive secretary general, a lady from rwanda, left for medical reasons. the following year i was elected chairman, nbd, by its general assembly. i replaced an egyptian. of significance was that i was the first ugandan and east african to be the boss of this great regional ngo of more than 1000 member ngos. i was to continue serv- ing as chairman until 2010, when i handed the chair to the former chairman. i handed the chair of undf to an- other colleague. it was during my terms as chair undf and nbd that the two got systems, includ- ing governance manual, finance and administration manual, hu- man resources manual, et cetera since their creation in 2003. i did not stay to put these instruments to simultaneously effect. as chairman undf and nbd i influenced quite a lot of modi- fication of development thinking and action in the water sector in uganda and the nile basin. as chairman nbd i sometimes inter- faced with heads of state, perti- nent water ministers and techno- crats within the countries of the nile basin and in the nile basin initiative (nbi), which manages the nile waters and resources on behalf on its member countries. what i learnt was priceless. un- fortunately by the time the mem- bers of nbi had not agreed on the framework for cooperation, the nile basin cooperative frame- work (nbcf) because of exac- erbated hydro-hegemony on the part of egypt. however, a nile basin sustainability framework (nbsf), which was less politi- cally sensitive had been endorsed by the member counties of nbi. as chairman nbd, i travelled widely, participated in many fora, workshops and conferences, often presenting papers and position of civil society, especially on joint projects, which were frequently in- frastructure developments. many times i was able to influence the i thank the muganda man i met in a taxi between mpereirwe where i was renting a house and kampala, who advised that i build a house in my rural area in busoga. he said, “if you build in your village you will be developing your village and busoga. if you build in kampala you will be developing buganda. processes and outcomes in favour of civil society. my high critical thinking skills, intellectual skills and debating skills always put me in a more advantageous position to put the positions of civil society. my task was to enhance com- munity and people participation in decision-making in the nile basin development processes, especially by amplifying the voice of the voiceless. it was not easy. often big money and budget mon- ey plotted together to defeat civil society positions on development. but giving up was not an option for me. the greatest challenge was get- ting funding for nbd to enhance the voice of the voiceless in nile basin development processes, which, unfortunately, were far more infrastructure oriented than community and people oriented. it was always an uphill task chang- ing the thinking and decisions of governments, politicians and tech- nocrats in favour of civil society. however, as chairman i led and effectively participated in rais- ing funds, especially from uk’s dfid, for nbd and its 10 forums. i was greatly demoralised by the withdrawal of funding by cana- da’s cida after i was convinced that my negotiating team had done well in nairobi when we met a spectrum of potential funders. such demoralisation of a leader is possible if an organisation or country is over-dependent on ex- ternal funding. you can blame me for failure to mobilise domestic funding for nbd. the problem, however, was that nbd was initi- ated from the top by world bank, iucn and cida, and was right from its launch set to rely heavily on external funding. even as late as 2017, the major funding agency for nbd was world bank. world bank is the major funder of large infrastructure projects in the nile basin. it is not easy to see how the world bank can balance its inter- ests with those of civil society. js: how did you shoulder on after leaving undf and nbd? oa: lucky enough, in the year i retired from makerere university, the board of nape agreed that i transferred my services from it to management. i became pioneer programme manager of one of the ngo’s programmes. it was called “the sustainability school in uganda”, which was being funded by an organisation in germany called rose luxemburg founda- tion. this organisation paid my salary directly from germany. that gave me a soft landing after retirement. actually the salary i was getting from rose luxem- burg foundation was far bigger than the salary i was getting from makerere university by the time i retired from it service. i thank nape for providing the ground i needed to enhance my practical influence in the field of environment. i travelled a lot in africa and elsewhere, represent- ing nape’s environmental inter- ests and presenting its positions on a diversity of environmental issues. i used nape as a base to write prolifically on environmen- tal issues and debate or give talks on environment in and outside uganda. apparently, as early as last year, nape invited me to give a talk on its behalf at the national theatre on the threat of govern- ment’s choice of sugarcane grow- ing over bugoma forest and its tourism value to uganda. it was a very well attended talk, which enabled me to meet many former colleagues at makerere university and in the environmental arena af- ter almost decade. using the allowances i got from undf and nbd and the salary i was getting from nape, up to end of 2012, i was able to speed up the construction of our rural home so that jane, my wife, and myself could retire into it. so i retired from nape by the end of 2012 on age and health grounds and on the advice of the board. my wife retired from mak- erere university service in 2013. we had to face the reality of post- retirement life’s challenges. it is not easy to maintain social and economic stability after retire- ment. those who did not prepare for retirement end up on streets as paupers or die earlier. retirees tend to face neglect, even by their children and relatives, who never imagine retirement from active service or life. lucky enough none of us had bank loans or other loans to pay. we were able to concentrate on building a house in our rural area. it would have been a different matter if we did not build one. we are staying in it now. no rent to pay. their own to be continued